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Topic: Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway
Posted by: Leslie Smith
Date/Time: 2009/4/19 9:10:42

Take a peep at Shayer & Adey (1981): [this is the book of the 1970s assessment studies in advance of the 1994 and 2002 books on the intervention studies]. The findings from the n=10,000 sample were that less than 30% of youngsters gained "good" passes in Science [the then qualification was called GCSE; but no matter]. In that 1981 book, a curriculum analysis through Piagetian stages [interpreted in line with the assessment task used in the national study] was undertaken, and its conclusion was in terms of an "obvious" correlation: to get a "good" pass a youngster had to have what is called "formal operational" [FO] - or a rose by any other name is just as sweet: "abstract reasoning" of the sort that is all the rage in Cognitive Psychology [Wason, Johnson-Laird, etc: contemporaries of Shayer]. This led to the prediction - prediction, mark you - for the later intervention studies. Piaget's theory implies that FO has its completion in adolescence: well then - can instructional changes be introduced that enable this type of reasoning to emerge. And lo: yes such changes can do so for 20% more youngsters. Is that not a signal achievement, based on reasoning - not on skills, nor on teaching to the test. [In Brit-land, national examinations are independent of the rest of us, including researchers. But: a "good"pass requires "good" abilities, notably "abstract reasoning"


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IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/14 16:40:47Dave Moursund
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/14 16:44:19GS Chandy
     There are three differences2009/4/15 12:21:30Leslie Smith
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:22:11Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:23:16Elizabeth Pufall
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:24:24Elizabeth Pufall
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:25:33Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 17:35:41BOND, Trevor Grahame
     Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:32:02Theo Dawson
          Re:Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:32:59BOND, Trevor Grahame
          Re:Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:34:16Leslie Smith
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/16 12:35:34Michael Lamport Commons
     Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/18 19:05:39Michael Lamport Commons
          Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:09:05Leslie Smith
          Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:09:53Theo Dawson
     Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:10:42Leslie Smith
                    Re:Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:13:30Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:07:43BOND, Trevor Grahame
          Re:Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:15:02Michael Lamport Commons
     Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:11:41David Moursund
          Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:12:28Jeremy T. Burman
          Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:20:54
               Re:Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:21:58Stephan Desrochers
                    Re:Re:Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 10:47:26Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:14:17Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/22 20:42:39Sandy McKinnis
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/24 21:40:18Ann Olivier
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/5/12 22:56:24David Moursund
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2010/7/11 22:37:57Michael Lamport Commons

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