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Topic: There are three differences
Posted by: Leslie Smith
Date/Time: 2009/4/15 12:21:30

Try this paper:
Shayer, M. (2008). Intelligence for education: As described by Piaget and measured by psychometrics. British Journal of Educational Psychology, 78, 1?9

Here are 3 differences:
1: One difference is that psychometricians use norm-referenced tests, where 'norm' refers to factors in the causal nexus. i.e, to causality. For Piaget, human intelligence is always norm-laden, where 'norm' refers to "what has to be done" and "what has to be", i.e. normativity that is non-reducible to causality [Smith, 2006, 2009].
2: Another difference is that the former have led to to Flynn-effects, i.e. the increase in measured IQ over generations - this is a real anomaly. Piagetian tasks have led to anti-Flynn effects, i.e. the variable display of reasoning abilities under different pedagogical conditions - this, alas, is well known.
3: A third difference is that the former are assessment devices independently of teaching mechanisms - a ruler can be used to measure all manner of things, but does not in itself lay down what these are; so too IQ tests in instructional settings. Piagetian assessment tasks have their basis in a theory of human intelligence with specific implications for instruction and intervention [Shayer, 2008]; though I grant you that Piaget's pedagogy is as subtle as it is apparently misunderstood [Smith, 2009].

Müller, U., Carpendale, J., Smith, L. (2009). Cambridge companion to Piaget. New York: Cambridge University Press, in press.
Shayer, M. (2008). Intelligence for education: As described by Piaget and measured by psychometrics. British Journal of Educational Psychology, 78, 1?9
Smith, L. (2006). Norms in human development. In Smith & Vonèche (2006)
Smith, L. (2006). Norms and normative facts in human development. In Smith & Vonèche (2006)
Smith, L. (2009b). Piaget's developmental epistemology. In Müller et al., 2009.
Smith, L. (2009c). Piaget's pedagogy. In Müller et al., 2009.
Smith, L. & Vonèche, J. (2006). Norms in human development. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.


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IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/14 16:40:47Dave Moursund
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/14 16:44:19GS Chandy
     There are three differences2009/4/15 12:21:30Leslie Smith
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:22:11Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:23:16Elizabeth Pufall
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:24:24Elizabeth Pufall
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:25:33Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 17:35:41BOND, Trevor Grahame
     Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:32:02Theo Dawson
          Re:Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:32:59BOND, Trevor Grahame
          Re:Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:34:16Leslie Smith
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/16 12:35:34Michael Lamport Commons
     Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/18 19:05:39Michael Lamport Commons
          Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:09:05Leslie Smith
          Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:09:53Theo Dawson
               Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:10:42Leslie Smith
                    Re:Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:13:30Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:07:43BOND, Trevor Grahame
          Re:Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:15:02Michael Lamport Commons
     Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:11:41David Moursund
          Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:12:28Jeremy T. Burman
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               Re:Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:21:58Stephan Desrochers
                    Re:Re:Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 10:47:26Michael Lamport Commons
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