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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences
Posted by: Leslie Smith
Date/Time: 2011/10/8 20:31:14

Thanks for this!

Yes, I'm with you - well mostly; it was along the lines that you set out here that I had in mind in my "objections [i] + [ii]"?in my email below; no doubt there is much more to said here as to what is distinctive and essential in the arts. Then again in science, the same is the case, and Piaget's work was in no way intended to say the first and last word on that.

Then again, there are links, commonalities, even identities: take these Shakespeare quotes:

What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Romeo and Juliet [Piaget: Child's conception of the world]

To be or not to be, that is the question. Hamlet [Piaget: growth of logic - 1958 + 1964 books; Judgment and Reasoning in the Child, etc]

Is this a dagger I see before me? Macbeth?[Piaget: Mechanisms of Perception}

Nothing can come of nothing: speak again. King Lear [Piaget's constructivism - passim: see my "sans fin" references in Cambridge Companion to Piaget chap 3.

It would be very easy to see how each of these raises questions of the sort that Piaget's work sets out to address and answer. Take Hamlet and his disjunctive syllogism

A or B
not-B
therefore
A

So easy for an adult: but how did I become adult enough to understand that as a necessary deduction, as opposed to a trite sequence?

Of course, in reading Hamlet or watching the play, most people focus on the beauty of the poetry, human drama of high quality, and so on Note: it's taken for granted that "anyone" understands logical deduction - alas, alas. And tooour novelist Julian Barnes [Nothing to be frightened of] is not averse to reckoning that as a novelist he is in the business of searching for truth - just like his brother, the philosopher Jonathan Barnes [Aristotle scholar]. And of course: neither of the Barnes boys - famous though both are - wanted reliable evidence about human action/thought, still less valid theoretical principles to systematise interpreting the evidence.

Did Piaget get into the Arts? No; at least as far as I know - right till the end [am just about to make public his final interview in 1980 some 7 months before he died] he denied that he had ever had "a theory",?there had been no such thing as "Piaget's theory"; the implication being that there were still unsolved problems about the formation of knowledge in science, and so business enough there.


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Topic(Point at the topics to see relevant reminders)Date PostedPosted By
Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/5 12:50:36Craig E. Nelson
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/5 12:54:22Bond, Trevor
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/5 12:58:24Leslie Smith
          Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 20:28:49Ann Olivier
     Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 20:31:14Leslie Smith
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 20:36:12Ann Olivier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 21:21:04Andre Hopper
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/9 12:42:24Leslie Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/9 12:45:39Andre Hopper
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:31:43Leslie Smith
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:34:17Andre Hopper
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:48:27Ayman-Nolley, Saba
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:53:40joe becker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:59:03Michael Lamport Commons
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:10:52joe becker
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:26:24Leslie Smith
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:38:33Ann Olivier
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:42:48Leslie Smith
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:52:16Ann Olivier
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:56:03Michael Lamport Commons
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 23:42:14Leslie Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:27:25Ann Olivier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:26:27Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/9 12:44:06joe becker
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:58:09joe becker
          Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 13:54:35Michael Lamport Commons
               Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 13:55:54joe becker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 13:58:26Ann Olivier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:00:49joe becker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:02:20Michael Lamport Commons
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:09:11Ann Olivier
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:04:17Michael Lamport Commons
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:06:13joe becker

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