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Topic: Re:Observables of behavior
Posted by: Leslie Smith
Date/Time: 2010/7/26 20:33:38

Thanks for this question; actually, the exchanges following your initial question have been interesting in the best sense, and your question now is in the same league.

Here's an analogy: Ptolemy and Copernicus had the same observational experiences: every morning "there is the sun" and every evening "there is the moon". All the same, what did "there" mean? As we know, quite a lot [geocentric/heliocentric universe]. Note well - Wittgenstein is good on this: the difference is non-observational in that you can't see the difference between a solar system in which the Earth is central and one in which the Sun is central from the Earth which in fact is where we are in making the observations in the first place.

Your question now is about whether:
it is possible to observe mental operations, i.e., that it is possible to dire al thinking, the mental activity (of the two children I gave as an example from the classification interviews) as it is occurring?
Yes, acts of judgment are acts/actions central to which is a normative fact [fact: and any fact is] amenable to observation. For example, take Rosa Parks on a Montgomery bus "I don't think I should have to stand up", as she sat on bus seat, at that time prohibited to people with her skin colour, an action that led to the US Civil Rights protests. This is compelling: RP did something that others responded to on a national and international basis.
No, you can't observe the norm corresponding to this fact. Nor [in the 19th century] could you observe the ether as that entity enabling the transmission of light waves. In the sequel, norms could turn o ut to be Right now: I doubt this, just because we all have notions as to what is right/wrong not only in morality, but also in logic/mathematics. Example:
Take 1 + 1 = 1. Is that right or wrong? Yes in set theory;?No in the arithmetic of natural numbers;?and in common experience too [my grandson is a preschooler, and he has views about what is right/wrong in all manner of contexts - playing snakes and ladders, what is a fit food to eat, what is the right time to go to bed....]

In short, observe as much as your method allows you to do, and then interpret your evidence in terms of an adequate theory. In?mine, norms are central; in behaviourism or in the cognitive psychology responsible for the notion of a strategy, norms are absent. Your call!


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Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/6/27 17:27:31David Moursund
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     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/6/28 17:13:40Leslie Smith
     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/1 21:28:14Richard Meinhard
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                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 0:00:09Richard Meinhard
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 0:01:24Leslie Smith
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 0:02:25Michael Lamport Commons
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 0:03:20Michael Lamport Commons
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                                             Re:Observables of behavior2010/7/26 20:32:34Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:Observables of behavior2010/7/26 20:33:38Leslie Smith
                                             Re:Observables of behavior2010/7/26 20:34:25Michael Lamport Commons
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     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/1 21:33:10Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:35:16Michael Lamport Commons
          Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:36:03
     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:36:44Leslie Smith
     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:37:24Michael Lamport Commons
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          Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:43:27aj malerstein
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                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:46:53joe becker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:48:16Leslie Smith
     Re:Do stage theories discuss when/how children learn strategies?2010/7/11 22:42:09Michael Lamport Commons

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