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Topic: Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences
Posted by: Leslie Smith
Date/Time: 2011/10/5 12:58:24

The account of formal operational thought in GLT had as its target scientific knowledge [Galileo, Newton, etc]. The argument was that scientific knowledge is based on group theory [Galois], i.e. only someone who understands the latter in some appropriate way, can - can, not will thereby: others things are also required - understand the former. But group system is neither innately transmitted nor experientially acquired en bloc. Instead, the Genevans argued, it is constructed through a series of levels, one of which [an intermediary] is based on a grouping system, where a grouping is weaker than a group. Call this [A]. I regard this as a good argument in that if someone thinking fits [A], it is objective, rather than subjective, and that's an important property since human thinking is notoriously prone to subjectivity [aka pseudo-reasoning].

Your question assumes that the arts and social sciences has a counter-part such that an intermediate level of thinking in these disciplines is based on a grouping system, and a more advanced level of thinking on a group system. Call this [A*]. This is a hard question because [A*] is hard to apply, and no doubt this is why there is so little work on it. By all means try - as Trev Bond suggested -?Gouge and Yates (in Shayer & Adey, 2002). But the hard question remains as to how to apply [A*]. By the way, I made an attempt with Peter Knight to answer your question quite some time ago, but - quite honestly - we did not get very far: you are welcome to read Knight and Smith (1989), if you are interested.

Knight, P. & Smith, L. (1989). In search of good practice. Journal of Curriculum Studies, 21, 427 440.
Shayer, M., and Adey, P. (2002). Learning intelligence. Buckingham, UK: Open University Press.

It might be objected [i] that most thinking in these disciplines does not require group theory, and further [ii] that most thinking in these areas requires instead different systems of thinking. Fair enough: I reckon both [i] and [ii] are valid and important. But note well: most is not all. Some thinking in these disciplines is based on group theory - for example, conditional reasoning from which valid deductions are drawn as opposed to valid inferences based on simple classifications/orderings. The way forward is to focus on paradigm cases and check out [A*] along the lines of [A].


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Topic(Point at the topics to see relevant reminders)Date PostedPosted By
Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/5 12:50:36Craig E. Nelson
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/5 12:54:22Bond, Trevor
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/5 12:58:24Leslie Smith
          Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 20:28:49Ann Olivier
               Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 20:31:14Leslie Smith
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 20:36:12Ann Olivier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 21:21:04Andre Hopper
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/9 12:42:24Leslie Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/9 12:45:39Andre Hopper
                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:31:43Leslie Smith
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:34:17Andre Hopper
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:48:27Ayman-Nolley, Saba
                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:53:40joe becker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:59:03Michael Lamport Commons
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:10:52joe becker
                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:26:24Leslie Smith
                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:38:33Ann Olivier
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:42:48Leslie Smith
                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:52:16Ann Olivier
                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:56:03Michael Lamport Commons
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/8 23:42:14Leslie Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:27:25Ann Olivier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/12 14:26:27Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/9 12:44:06joe becker
     Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/15 22:58:09joe becker
          Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 13:54:35Michael Lamport Commons
               Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 13:55:54joe becker
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 13:58:26Ann Olivier
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:00:49joe becker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:02:20Michael Lamport Commons
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:09:11Ann Olivier
                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:04:17Michael Lamport Commons
                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Example from Humanities and Social Sciences2011/10/16 14:06:13joe becker

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