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Topic: Re:Shayer's work
Posted by: Leslie Smith
Date/Time: 2009/4/16 8:34:16

you are exceptional, then - or at least the exception that proves the rule.

Shayer, 1981, 1994, 2002: for the record, I have had no personal involvement in this empirical work of Shayer [by the way, there is/was a team that included Adey, and Yates, and Adhami, and Wylam inter alia. This ain't one person.]. Shayer told me of his assessment studies after their completion when I first met him in 1981; Adey told me of the results of their first intervention study at the JPS in 1990, and they came to me as a complete surprise. Clearly, though: this work is not a one-off - it has been successfully replicated; it does embody durable outcomes that are generalisable from one school subject to two other core subjects; transfereable from adolescence to primary scholling, and elsewhere; and the method is fully documented such that, with suitable training, teachers can appropriate it. How's that for a good deal? Yet most folks neither know of its existence, nor even want to know when told about it.

Shayer 2008: yes, I did contribute comments whilst this paper was being written [though I want to say that my best shots were all turned down]. That said: the argument goes to the heart of the matter, namely that a norm-referenced IQ test has an incomplete, even inadequate, control over the norms {the "has to" of implication and obligation] operative in the action and thought of the youngsters taking the test. This is a lesson still to be learned in psychometrics, and elsewhere.


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Topic(Point at the topics to see relevant reminders)Date PostedPosted By
IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/14 16:40:47Dave Moursund
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/14 16:44:19GS Chandy
     There are three differences2009/4/15 12:21:30Leslie Smith
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:22:11Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:23:16Elizabeth Pufall
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:24:24Elizabeth Pufall
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 12:25:33Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/15 17:35:41BOND, Trevor Grahame
     Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:32:02Theo Dawson
          Re:Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:32:59BOND, Trevor Grahame
     Re:Shayer's work2009/4/16 8:34:16Leslie Smith
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/16 12:35:34Michael Lamport Commons
     Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/18 19:05:39Michael Lamport Commons
          Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:09:05Leslie Smith
          Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:09:53Theo Dawson
               Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:10:42Leslie Smith
                    Re:Re:Re:Piagetian concepts do not hold sway2009/4/19 9:13:30Theo Dawson
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:07:43BOND, Trevor Grahame
          Re:Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:15:02Michael Lamport Commons
     Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:11:41David Moursund
          Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:12:28Jeremy T. Burman
          Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:20:54
               Re:Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 9:21:58Stephan Desrochers
                    Re:Re:Re:Many thanks, and a related question2009/4/19 10:47:26Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/19 9:14:17Michael Lamport Commons
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/22 20:42:39Sandy McKinnis
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/4/24 21:40:18Ann Olivier
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2009/5/12 22:56:24David Moursund
     Re:IQ and Cognitive Development2010/7/11 22:37:57Michael Lamport Commons

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